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commandcom
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 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: Multiple video clips on video track? |
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Hello again!
Just one question: You know the truble: you're working on a movie cut on reels (I usually do one project for each reel), each of them starting at one different hour incrementally (reel one: 01:00:00:00, reeel two: 02:00:00:00...)
So, if you want to work on a single project for all of the reels (sometimes this makes a lot of sense, sometimes) you'd like to put several video clips, each of them corresponding to its reel on its time code.
Rendering a 6 or 7 hours video MAYBE an option, changing the videfile itself when going from reel to reel MAYBE another option, but, definately, chances are that the winner would be being able to put the 6 or 7 different clips on the time line and forget about them...
Any chances?
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Jorge
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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if i understand you correctly i do that here all the time. works great.
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commandcom
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Max,
The point is that I can do it, but it slows down a lot the whole system, so much I can't really work...
(I use standard PAL DV clips wich I render using Vegas)
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commandcom
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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...and, of course, If you're not usig Directshow... (You know that using DirectShow only the first clip is shown...)
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BrianT
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Do you use a dedicated video drive?
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Hey there,
I think I have the solution... (in Nuendo 3 that is, haven't tried it in N4 yet)
The problem seems to be video caching or similar. And turning off thumbnails doesn't seem to help much.
What I encounter:
Many clips: when you move the video, the system hangs vor a few seconds. After that it is sluggish on scrolling / zooming.
What helps me:
Go to the preferences and disable the show event data on small tracks (or sth. similar... cannot remember).
Then shrink the size of the video track so that it is only a coloured bar (i.e. no grey boxes). Should work now.
What I do is click on the split project view icon (top-left above project tracks), and move the video to the top (and a marker lane). This way I can zoom in my audio track window without enlarging the video track again (which causes the stutter).
Hope this works for you!
Andrew
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Try this: create a folder track and place the video track inside, than close the folder track.
It works for me.
Bye,
Marco.
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commandcom
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds REALLY good!!!
Thankyou all for your tips. I'll check it asap (I'll be out until monday)
Best Regards,
Jorge
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Now that sounds like a trick I could use!
Thanks
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commandcom
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Quatermass, it works perfectly!!!
Thankyou all for your info.
Best regards,
Jorge.
P.D.: Any thoughts about my VST System link post that nobody seems to care about? : http://forum.nuendo.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=16447
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Quatermass wrote: | Try this: create a folder track and place the video track inside, than close the folder track.
It works for me.
Bye,
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Cool Trick!!
Does this work better with Video Thumbnails still off, or does it not matter?
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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I've never found thumbnails off makes much difference on Mac or PC.
In a folder, it certainly doesn't matter.
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That is brilliant, thanks!
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Actually it comes from an obscure Bollywood pal, back in the N2 days...
Glad to know it works for you aswell, BUT:
Martin, we are still waiting for a better video integration!
I mean like having 2 video tracks with black-key between them for text to video purposes, a lifesaver for ADR's and, why not, cues and leaders.
And, while we're here, you offered Decklink integration as a playout device, now we're ready for Decklink capture!
(Don't tell me it's impossible, every Decklink customer here does it with external apps, it's just a matter of building a new module).
Now let me goin' on with my Santa's letter...
Bye,
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marco i love the idea of a video generator for wipes, cues, etc for adr but i can't see why it would be a benefit to capture video within nuendo when the decklink capture app is so small and efficient.
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| Andrew Mottl wrote: |
What helps me:
Go to the preferences and disable the show event data on small tracks (or sth. similar... cannot remember).
Then shrink the size of the video track so that it is only a coloured bar (i.e. no grey boxes). Should work now.
What I do is click on the split project view icon (top-left above project tracks), and move the video to the top (and a marker lane). This way I can zoom in my audio track window without enlarging the video track again (which causes the stutter).
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"disable the show event data on small tracks" is great, a real performance boost!
But what I hate is that when I split the project window I'm not able to shift-select events in both lists e.g. to copy stuff etc.
Actually I can select them but they won't move together as one selection.
Could somebody confirm that this is a bug?!
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| Quatermass wrote: | Actually it comes from an obscure Bollywood pal, back in the N2 days...
Glad to know it works for you aswell, BUT:
Martin, we are still waiting for a better video integration!
I mean like having 2 video tracks with black-key between them for text to video purposes, a lifesaver for ADR's and, why not, cues and leaders.
And, while we're here, you offered Decklink integration as a playout device, now we're ready for Decklink capture!
(Don't tell me it's impossible, every Decklink customer here does it with external apps, it's just a matter of building a new module).
Now let me goin' on with my Santa's letter...
Bye,
Marco. |
WHOA MARCO .... Hows it goin ??
i Aint that obscure yet buddy just dont come to the forum as often as i\d like to!
Im pretty surprised that the old workaround for this works With N4 ... thought that wouldve been sorted by now... well u live n learn!!im expecting my N4 version next week.
hope alls well with everyone here !
as always Keep makin Music guys ..
cheerio
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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"but i can't see why it would be a benefit to capture video within nuendo when the decklink capture app is so small and efficient"
Max, benefits are obvious:
1- Decklink vidcap allows you to record only 2 audio tracks at once and (damn!) interleaved. Thus it's impossible to record 4 (sometimes 8) tracks in a single pass.
Not a serious showstopper for a 30'' spot but a real PITA for a 1:30' prime time show...
2- I don't know if it's an XP only issue (i don't think so) but when you start capturing video with Decklink app you CAN'T switch to Nuendo for recording audio.
If you try, Decklink simply stops capturing; the only "working" way i've found it's to use iuVCR, so i preroll 10" and start recording audio in Nuendo, THEN switch to iuVCR
and start recording video.
3- In any case you have to import video and manually align it to the Nuendo timeline, why can't it behave as an audio track? I mean, when recorded, automatically placed in the right spot in the project view?
I know it sounds a bit lame, as a matter of fact we all have found a workaround, but it just would be better...
Bye,
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T-rone??? It's you??? Ahahah! My sorry!
Obscure stays for: "In my brain, where there's no light, the name of that guy is forgotten"...
Sorry again and thanks for that little trick, it saved my axx so many times!
Bye,
Marco.
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Oh an added video track (with some sort of key track for cueing) would be *WONDERFUL* as would the ability to capture into nuendo.
Its simply a speed thing. (especially getting 4 audio tracks off a digibeta deck, at the same time as the video)
I've used other work arounds as well...use one computer to capture the vision using the decklink software, while patching the audio through to a different audio rig. Only works when you have the luxury of a couple of different machines, but it works fairly well.
The idea of a key / cue system for video is an incredible one. Even for putting a small note at the bottom of the screen for pic versions (ie, offline v3, online pics, etc) - helps keep track of things when you can get 15 different versions of pics for one project...
That, and for cuing ADR / VO sessions.... and even more, for conducting ensemble sessions for soundtracks... a video "click" / cue system for musos is always greatly appreciated.
Anyway...just a lurkers thoughts. Carry on.
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