The New Thonex Test

Thonex · Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject: The New Thonex Test

Hi,

I've been asked to "redo" the Thonex Test as to not use Magnetos or Karlettes because there are discrepancies among the different Magnitos out there and Karlette is barely available for the Mac.... and may be buggy to some.

This test was revised in Nuendo 3.1

In addition, I included 2 instances of the RoomWorks reverb.

I replaced all the Magnetos with either Distortion or QuadFuz or Tubes or something semi-intelligent.

I replaced Karlette with Dual Delay set to the same setting (Minus the dampening feature of course)

Anyway, this test should now be able to run on Macs as well as PCs "out-of-the-box" so to speak.... no more Karlette or Magneto problems.

Here it is:

http://www.andrewkmusic.com/filearea/Thonex_Test_No_Mag_or_Karlette.npr

Cheers,

T
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h4nc0 · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:41 am Post subject:

thanks!

MPC · Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 867 Location: NYC

Apple G5 D2.5:
128=80% sounds fine, pretty sluggish metering 6ms
256=55% running no problems/slightly sluggish metering 12ms
512=45% responsive not problems or sluggishness 24ms
1024=40% " "

Ok you PC guys, give me the bad news! I think I may be reaching a tipping point, those Dual Core PC's are beginning to tempt me......
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Category 5 · Member Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 225

Hmmm....seems lighter than the other version. Results below are for the latest (3.1) release
DAW - Pentium D 830 at 3.75 Ghz, 2 UAD, 1 Poco, 1GB Ram, Asus P5WD2 Premium, RME Fireface

Thonex 2

48 - 85-90% only an occasional pop

64 - 75-80% - Perfect, no pos or clicks

96 - 65-72% - "

128 - 60-68% - "

256 - 55-60%

512 - 53-58%

768 - 52-58%

1024- 50-58%

Not much difference after 512 samples buffer size. Only 48 had any pops, and they were very occasional. Very surprising performance for the Fireface, even for a dual core system. I wish I still had my Multiface since it was noticably better at lower latencies...although 64 was the lowest, I imagine CPU usage would have been about 5-10% lower.

Shane
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h4nc0 · Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject:

On my system (2.6ghz dual-core X2 4400+), 64 buffer @ 40-50%.

MPC · Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 867 Location: NYC

"64 buffer @ 40-50%" .......<<MPC, begins to look at his Dual 2.5 G5, with sadness and longing in his eyes>> <sigh>
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Thonex · Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject:

marcus cliffe · Member Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 709 Location: SW LONDON

my dual xeon DAW won run down to those buffers,I get 60% at 128 but 64 makes it crap out for me,I'm not that bothered at the moment as i have a stable DAW with no issues and a fairly powerfull machine ;-).

Marcus
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Thonex · Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject:

Thonex · Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject:

64 samples (1.5 ms) 68% peak with some crackling
128 samples (3 ms) 58% peak no crackling -- everything fine
256 samples (6 ms) 52% peak no crackling -- everything fine

I don't know why the Dual Optis crackle at 68%!!!

Man... those dual dual's must absolutely smoke!!!

T
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h4nc0 · Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject:

Not really. I wans't able to get 64 buffer to work without crackles when I had UAD-1s installed. I took them out due to the X2/UAD bug, and found out that 64 buffer works perfectly without UAD1s.

mr chris · Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 626 Location: Germany

Greetings all!

N3.1 start, load T2-test, 44.1kHz
audio priority: high
preload: 3 seconds
Fireface800: bandwidth limit: no ADAT2
all other I/Os ON...

play always from left to right locator(98-122).

1024:
idle: 42-45%
play: 55-65%

---> MP trick *great* ...
1024:
idle: 35%
play: 48-53%

- switch sample buffer
- perform MP trick...
512:
idle: 36%
play: 45-55%

- switch sample buffer
- perform MP trick...
256:
idle: 38-39%
play: 45-56%

- switch sample buffer
- perform MP trick...
128:
idle: 39-42%
play: 45-61%

- switch sample buffer
- perform MP trick...
64:
idle: 48-50%
play: 55-72%

- switch sample buffer
- perform MP trick...
48:
idle: 50-55%
play: 60-80%

Jup, and before you ask, the MP-trick:
http://www.nuendo.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=51427#51427

and *NO* crackels or whatsoever on all tests.

Cheers,
.chris

(may I write on this footnote, that I am currently *bored* with the MP handling... since N2 "unlimited processors" are supported... "ja-ja" German saying...)
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LordNibbler · Senior Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 1268

Out of interest, where exactly do you measure 60% or 70% in the meter?

On my system:

256 buffer: peaks at first meter block after the zero of 60.
128 buffer: peaks at 3 meter blocks after the zero of 60.
64 buffer: peaks at the first meter block above the 8 of 80.
32 buffer: nearly manages it but crackles during the loading peaks.

Odd that with a Lynx, there isn't much difference between 256 and 128 but go to 64 and you pay for it!

LN
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Thonex · Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:33 am Post subject:

mr chris · Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 626 Location: Germany

Jake68 · Senior Member Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 2462

Feature Request.

Numerical Representation of CPU useage on CPU Meter!
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mr chris · Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 626 Location: Germany

http://forum.nuendo.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=9079
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LordNibbler · Senior Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 1268

With peak hold!

LN
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Grado · Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject:

Thonex,

Nice benchmarking dude! Here goes:

1024 samples : 22% idle, 29 - 32% looping

512 samples : 24% idle, 30 - 35% looping

256 samples : 28% idle, 32 - 38% looping

128 samples : 30% idle, 38 - 42% looping

64 samples : 34 - 38% idle, 44 - 52% looping

No audible clicks, glitches or other noises at any latency :-)

Grado
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Matthias Adloff · Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject:

What could be the reason that LordNibbler and Grado report so different results with similar DAWs ???
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ten · Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:31 pm Post subject:

Umm.....grado has dualcore cpus (quad cpu) when LN has normal dual? ;O)

ten
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Matthias Adloff · Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject:

Ooops... my bad.
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LordNibbler · Senior Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 1268

Grado · Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject:

Lord,

I appears that benchmarking is just like defining the quality of musicianship ..... it's all about timing :-)

BTW are you running one or two CPUs?

Grado
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GSQD · Member Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 350 Location: LA / UK

F'kin' hell Grado!!

I need to get a machine like that! My old P4HT thing needs upgrading now (although rock solid and reliable) and I'm between projects. I think I'm going to go for it now all you lads have hammered out all the best bits and pieces.

Cheers,

Glyn
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